BERGE:

Okay. What kind of radio biological experiments did you do or

mice and rats and otherliving beings?

KOHN:

Well, let's see. First of all, my primary objective, or Dr. Stone's

primary objective was to study the relative biological effectiveness of the
synchrotron's high energy beam. Since the synchrotron took a long time to
get started, we collaborated with other people in Texas and in New Yorkin
doing the RBE on their high energy machines. Mycollaborator in the
laboratory was Shirley Gunter, a microbiologist. Dr. Gunter went to each one
of these laboratories and did her standard microbiological testing. We did
standard testing in San Francisco on a million volt machine, which they no
longer have, but which was runningat that time. In 1963 or so, Warren
Sinclair, who was the Texas collaborator, and I wrote a review of the

international literature on the relative biological effectiveness of high energy
photonsand electrons. S50, we accomplished what the laboratory or at least
what myinitial assignment was. I wasalsointerested in age at exposure and
the late affects of radiation. It makes a difference whether you irradiate the
animal when he's young or when he's old. We published a numberof
papers on that, with Bob Kallman and, for example with, Paul Guttman; the
last reference, on the sheet, tells about that. Then I did someclinical work on

the effects of radiation therapy on the blood count. I did some work with Dr.

Zippen and Mrs. Lum on breast cancer. I could talk on and on and on you
know and [| don't want to do that.

BERGE:

Oh please do.

KOHN:

From mypoint of view it isn't that important. But I think

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