Marshallese:
Ray:

Do you base these figures on what has happened in the past?

Those are based upon what has happened in the past and upon

experiments, studies that have been done with animals and examinations of
people.
Bair:

Ray:

Not on past experience in the Marshall Islands.

No, not Marshal] Islands experience.

Marshallese:

So I would think then that these don't really apply to the

- Marshalls, these figures, then, because why would you need to go to a
laboratory to get information like that?

Why didn't you come and actually

visit the Marshalls, and take your data from the Marshalls, and base these
figures that apply to us on our actual experience?

Ray:

These numbers represent the best scientific estimate we can make of -

the consequence of radiation, what contribution radiation may be expected
to make, to deaths from cancer in the Marshalls.

We have no way of

identifying a specific death and saying that is due to radiation.

But the

world's experience at this time would indicate that with these radiation
levels, whatever the number of cancer incidence is in the Marshalls would
be increased by this much.

We don't know what the incidence of cancer is

in the Marshalls or has been because -there are not sufficient historical

records.

We do know that, worldwide, of all the people that died ina

year, of every 6 people that died, 1 of them probably died of cancer.
Marshallese:

We feel that the DOE vessel makes regular trips to these

atolls and so seeing that that would be a perfect opportunity to gather
information from these atolls and base your information then on data you
gathered on site in our area and, (implied), you wouldn't have to resort to
worldwide figures.
Ray:

Well, certainly as the DOE vessel visits the atolls of the Marshalls

we gather as much information as we can.

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