Ray: I think what should be recognized is that those numbers are very close together. other. Those, those numbers are hardly distinguishable from each If you look at the other page of numbers and look at the results in the cancers and birth defects between the results that were predicted between Mejit and Utrik, that the numbers are almost exactly the same. The difference between the 75 and the 100 between Utrik and Mejit is not a very big difference. They are both such small numbers that a very small change in the diet can make that difference and it really is not very significant. Marshallese: How would you know that a person that died a month ago, died from. cancer (I suppose he means from radiation induced cancer) on Utrik? Ray: There is no way that we could identify or attribute a death from cancer to radiation. Marshallese: A specific death. How do you know that a person died of cancer? That's the question. Ray: We have no way of knowing except if there was a medical record made at the time that the person died. If the doctor's examination concludes that the death was caused by cancer. Marshallese: I think probably that you are aware that we have no medical doctors on these outer islands. So that information is not possible. No one can inform you and tell you from the perspective of a medical doctor's diagnosis that a given individual did die of cancer. We don't have that verification so, how can you then predict how many might die of cancer? And these figures say that. Ray: These figures are not records of what has occurred. They are predictions based upon the best scientific knowledge that is available to us today. people. Predictions of the results of these radiation exposures to They have nothing to do with past history or actual deaths. They are predictions of how many deaths, how many additional deaths might be expected to occur if people live on this or that island. cr5 IN ut acs pi