367 SESSION VII Many of the Civil Defense handbooks at the local level were finished back in 1950, WARREN: Yes. EISENBUN: The handbooks were based on the nominal bornt concept where the military people told us that nobody would want to waste a bomb on the ground because they could cet more higher up. This is what we were told in those days and the instruments are geared to handle them with essentially no radioactivity or levels that can be dealt with. AYRES Are you sure of that’ BISENBUD- Yes, it is so. [don't belicve that's sa. Well, I don't know of any larpe enty, for example, that has anything other than hand-held counters and detectors that have to be taken out into the area and read; and then you've got to go somewhere, to a telephone usually, because they don't have their own communication system, AYRES: Are you talking about instruments or doctrine’ UPTON: Radiation monitors, EISENBUD: What I'm saying is that the monitoring system..... AYRES: I[ thought most of the peacetime monitoring was primarily the responsibility of the Division of Radiological Health of the Public Health Service, EISENBUD: No, it ig not. Why would that be’ WARREN: Linsisted when I was a member of the Scientific Committee that the Air Pollution Control put up fixed radiological monitoring stations with communication to the central station, So, in Los Angeles, San Diego, San Francisco, and [ think in Sacramento, there is a constant background reading. Part of that is to get some expe.ience because occasionally from the former testing we had some fallout. Whenever there was an opportunity for a Russian or a “hinese measurement, these were made too, routinely, even if they snowed nothing. UPTON: Are they supplied by erncrgency power?