366 _ cal defense plan, DASA 2019-2 because this was at the height of the emphasis on this subject, Plenty of money was viven in the carly days to orpanize the programy lots of equiprnent was avarlable. Chuck may remember when this test at Nevada went into Los Angeles: we had a complete contour by the uect morning. DUNHAM: Yes. WARREN: The word came at four o'clock from Nevada that it was likely to happen, and by the next morning we knew the contours, if any, all over the state. Then there's a good level at which a certain ovcupancy of non-occupancy can occur and there are extensive instructions for cleanup, which probably won't work, DUNHAM It will Keep the people busy. WARREN Yes, it will keep people busy. SPEAR: Staff? Is that degree of preparation still existing in California, WARREN: The University maintains a pretty tight organization partly on the need to monitor the laboratories using 1sotopes and nuclear machines, Countrywide you will find the 1sotepe people hooxed in with the students! health and safety policy on the campus, Isn't this true at Ann Arbor? And as tar as the universities are concerned, their local problem is probably in pood shape organizationwise, They may not have a director who runs the Civit Defense but there's usually a man who hag responsibility, most often, I think, in student health, HISENBUD: Staff, we are conternplating situations in which presumably attenuation factors of the order of 100 would be needed over relatively large areas to protect people, sa that the dose on the outside could be seumething like 40,009 r total which would be several hundred or maybe a couple of thousand r per hour initially. WARREN: That's a pretty severe restriction since we were making all of our original estimates on the basis of a bomb or twa, Now, I don't know. I'm not one of the team any more, so I don't know how these adjustments have been made, EISENBUD: Yes. These are the things that bother me and still do.