318 CASAREST: DASA 2019-2 Wouldn't it be true that in an unprepared situation the best source for geners)} communication and control, governmental control, would be the Armed Forces? In other words, military takeover of government? DE BOER: That's precisely the way I look at it, As I look at the military, where I work there is no plan to take care of this. there is no published plan that | know of. CASARETT: At least, That's what [ meant by an unprepared situation, The only sensible thing would be to use that orgauization which is distributed and organized in such a way as to take over; that seems to me to be the only one which could probably handle the situation in 1n un- | prepared state, DE BOER: All right, what guide lines do they have? CASARETT: HEMLER: Are theyill- prepared? They have some iairly strong guide lines with respect to takeover, This hagpened, if you recall, in Hawaii right after Pear} Harbor. There was a complete takeover and then a later movement down from complete martial law to partia) martial law, EISENBUD: Somebody isn't thinking it through, though, because -when the power went out in the Northeast 2 years ago [ wis really shocked to find that moat of the radio stations didn't have their own power supply and Kennedy Airport was closed down because they ; could not operate their lights and cquipment, which shows that either the thing hadn't been thought through or that ever the most superficial precautions have still not been taken despite the fact that in 1967, some 22 years after we first began to talk about this. .. AYRES: The electric utilities did not think that such a power failure was possible. possible! Aster it's happened they still don't think it's WARREN: Let's gu back to this martial law business for a while, I don't know whether you remember the discussion and the bitterness that wae crezied by the unwillingness of the General there to stop and give up his martia! law authority. Ile had fairly good reasons, I suppose, for maintaining kis control of the situation, FREMONT-SMITH: Is this Hawaii?