282 DASA 2019-2 civil defense and showing how bad the war is going to be might help prevent a war, then maybe this is the way the orientation should be. EISENBUD: I wonder if it wouldn't be worthwhile, for the purposes of documentation, to go around the room to see what other studies have been undertaken and by whom. I know, Bob, that you have one I've seen which is very good. I don't remember the exact title of it, do you want to put it into the record? AYRES: I don't remember what we used to call it. Its present title is Environmental Effects of Nuclear Weapons (Reference 52}. EISENBUD: There are a few RAND reports. The one that I think may be most applicable to this discussion is one I've seen by Harold Mitchell on either the biological or medical or ecological effects of nuclear war. Do you remember the exact title? DUNHAM: There are about twenty of these and they are available sn non-classified form. I don't know how many copies were run off, but they are available. What you are referring to is the one where they took a look at the plague and black death, I think that was strictly related to looking at ‘the black death, how people reacted to it and how fast the population came back after realizing that it decimated many millions of people. EISENBUD: There was one that was more general than that, DUNHAM: That was H.H. Mitchell's Survey of the Infectious Disease Problem as {t Relates to the Post-Attack Environment (Reference 53). lam talking about the more recent ones, within the last 6 or 8 months. EISENBUD: I haven't seen one. FREMONT-SMITH: Could we ask each of you, as the transcript comes to you, to put them inthe record? [think it would be very valuable to have this bibliography in the record, and we do this ra- ther systernatically anyway. EISENBUD: I would like, if you would, to confine ourselves for a while to the prologue phase. ROOT: Dr. Ayres, you were not referring to the publication that Hudson calls The Year 2000?