230 DASA 2019-2 TAYLOR: Then let me mention what may not be 2 difficulty. Some of the significant effects, at least in the Marshall Islands, were due to fallout, literally to fallout, to material falling on the community that is being irradiated, and that has at least two effects that are different from what you get with a gamma source. One is that chemistry is involved, biochemistry, and tie other is that there are things like beta burns which are not produced with a cesium source. ; Now, in connection with this last thing, Ihave heard many people say that deciduous forests are relatively radiation resistant, Is it really clear that they are also resistant to beta and alpha activity distributed on the surface of the soil trickling down through the trees, particularly in the wintertime? The state of ecological complexity right near the surface is considerable and it would appear to me that you don't produce a lot cf effects by irradiating to very high dose levels the firat few millimeters of soil. WOLFE: You just kill everything at very high levels. TAYLOR: Yes. WOLFE: The question is, will that kill the trees? Deciduous trees? TAYLOR: Yes. WOLFE: No. TAYLOR: You say all of the tratsfer between bacteria and fungi . and nematodes and all these things that go on in the upper foot are not affected by the fires? WOLFE: I would doubtit, [At this point in the session a film "Return to Bikini" was shown. following discussion pertains to the film, ] The DUNHAM: Lauren, this isn't the way Lheard the story. There was a movie I saw a few years ago that was announced to the oublic by Ian Fleming with a 4-page spread in the London Sunday Times which showed little fish that had become disoriented, losing their way, trying to clumb trees, which showed sea turtles who tried to find where ~ to lay their eggs. They laid great quantities of eggs which were sterile and then couldn't find their way back to the sea. {t showed piles