154 DASA 2019-2 EISENBUD: I spent quite a while on various of the isiands in 1956. This was two years after the event and there were tests in progress then, | guess—the Red Wing exercises. There certainly wasn't any official apprehension on the part of any of the natives. In fact, I think | spent one night on Utirik on an «xpedition. They were all very friendly and pleasant and aomewhat excited by all that was going on. WARREN: Historically they've had to worry about food and typhoons and drought and invasion by other peoples, not the least of which is the colonizing groups—the Japanese and now the Americans. While they probably have some radios and they hear a lot, they don't really have control over their situation and yet don't want to change it or do anything about it. I'm reminded about the time in our culture when tuberculosia and fatalities from lobar pneumonia were just accepted as being unfortunate. If the old man got kicked by a horse, had a broken leg and laid around and couldn't do the farm work, well, this was part of life. It was just tragic. It wasn't all right, but it was acceptable. We're not in this culture today nor in that frarne of mind. We've got miracle drugs and we've been told about all of the advantages and the wonderful life, etc. Our young people don't see it our way, They haven't been raised in a family where members died at inoppartune times nor have they lived in a general population which was close to the bare subsistence level. Also, I think I remarked last time that our people came West with a gun and always had a gun handy and knew something about Indian fighting and predators of various sorts, human and others. We haven't _ had these experiences recently and a certain amount of self-reliance has now been lost. FREMONT-SMITH: Do you mean we can't use the Marshallese experience very well to extrapolate what will happen in the Midwest after an atomic war? WARREN: Bob has just indicated that people adjust, and I think we would adjust to whatever happens. What else is there todo? You've got to eat every day and sleep. AYRES: It's interesting; there's a difference between our culture and the Criental. We believe deep down that we can change our surroundings. WARREN: Yeas.