92 DASA 2019-2 which they could develop and then lead into new directions, and that ROOT: I think, going back to Dr. Warren's question, that applies also tothe press. You say you get ‘on the beach" and you have ''no place to hide" and you get all these distorted veports, But what are those writers going to do” [unfortunately have a disciplined background, having been a research scientist myself, which holds me up terribly in this profession, But everything is a struggle. And journalists and writers eventually give up. There arc very few instances, I think, in which, ifa subject is entirely in the open, there's vot great cooperation between the scientists and the writers. It couldn't be greater, and [know Dr. Langham has helped writers at great cost to his own time and energy, [I'm sure. But when it impinges on an area which is not necessarily classified, but on one in which there is uncertainty as to classification, ['ve talked with people and quoted figures and they have stared back as though I had leprosy and could contaminate them, They hadn't known and they would say, ‘Where did you get that figure? It's never been published," And [ would say that it had been published in such-and-such. It's just tou great a task. It's a lifetime work to kecp up with what is declassified and what remains classified. So, the only way for sanity is just not to say anything. But then we expect the writer to be able to communicate to the public who support the research and who really are an informed public, the strength of the democracy, and he's got nothing to say, but he's got a job to fulfill. UPTON: [think the morning session has to be brought to a close, and I'm reminded of an amusing anecdote, We've been talking about an information problem, really, and [heard a story about the Wind Scale incident which indicates how frequently in an astonishing situation where one is caught by surprise and has one's source of informatiun down, one has to say something and maynot say the right thing. AYRES: There's a formula called "No comment"! [Laughter] UPTON: A group of power industry executives and engineers were being flown over the Wind Scale plant and were being briefed by a guide on the wonders of nuclear power, As they crossed the plant in the airplane and he pointed out various installations on the ground, the accident occurred anda big black plume went up out of the stack, naw if we were to release this information, even though it would be perhaps of use tothe enemy, we would be getting ahead faster and gain more by the release than we gain by the protection, This is my personal opinion which I throw out for nobody else's use.