86 DASA 2019-2 think, and therefore, what to act or what to say. They are constantly changing their minds from one position to another, which is one of the problems that is due to their political needs and their careers. It seems to me we have two ends to work on here: How to get correct infor mation that is capable of solving problems to our leaders and how to educate the public. Now, if the general public doesn't want to be educated, this is something we've got to know, and perhaps we could do more than we've been doing in oar educational system to get them to understand the environment in which they are thrust when they are born, We can only doa limited amount in getting them interested in the world in which they live. On the other hand, the leaders are certainly very interested in the world in which they live. Perhaps this is the primary goal for our efforts, to try to get the proper knowledge to our leaders. WARREN: What you are saying is that our leaders don't have the proper father image for the community of the world at ‘arge, and in this cane the father image has been tarnishedif rot destroyed, POOT: But they always talk the right father image. vates the problem. MILLET: That aggra- Yes. DUNHAM: Isn't it one of the funcamental problems that leaders, almost by definition, are amateurs? They've never faced a particular crisis until they face it, FREMONT-SMITH: That's right, DUNHAM: This is a dilemmathat the world has been facing for a good many years and I don't know how you can just suddenly say that these people are more stupid than somebody else, It's a personal problem, as you hinted at, FREMONT-SMITH: And the thing is partly compounded by the election every two or four years, which means leaderships change or there are desperate efforts to maintain leadership at any cost, because that’s the time you'll be able to really show your responsibility, after you've been re-elected. DUNHAM: Yes. 2 te eee,