SESSIONII . 85 DUNHAM: [think it points up again that it isn't particularly right because it's radiation. This is just something simply seized on. WARREN: This is part of the cold war. DUNHAM: Not the government people or most of the university people or most of the scientists. The fallout they've had from some of the Chinese tests has not been played up very much in the Japanese press, TAYLOR: [think the mystique is right here at home, typified by a comment that President Kennedy made to Jerry Wiesner when they sitting together in the White House and it was raining out. Kennedy asked Wiesner whether there was fallout in the rain that was falling onthe White House lawn, and Wiesner said, “Yes, there still is," This was an intense emotional experience for the President, to see rain with fallout on the outside; nothing connected with anything in any way quantitative at all. As far as he was concerned, that rain that was falling outside was bad, ROOT: berries, I think it's a little dangerous to equate radiation with cranthough, because we know what radiation can do, There should be a legitimate and respected fear of it. DUNHAM: I'mnot saying it shouldn't be respected, but it happens in certain areas where the psychciogical seed has already fallen, ROOT: [think the psychological seed germinates and flourishes because of the ultimate lethal threat. DUNHAM: The pesticides are lethal, Sois raciation, WARREN: Not everybody buys cranberries and couldn't care less, — but everybody is subjected more or less to the fallout. DUNHAM: So is Vitamin A. It's toxic, too. MILLET: This, [think brings up another point perhaps. We've been talking about our dissatisfaction with leaders for not giving us the information that we ought to have. I think we're getting into the area of the mystique of the leader in this country, and perhaps one of the great problems hasn't been touched upon sufficiently yet, which is that our leaders are not sufficiently well educated to know what to