CANCER PROGRAM (continued) DR. CANTRIL asked if isotopes for the training of high school teachers was being subsidized and DR. SHILLING explained that this was at present behg investigated. He said that Dr. Libby was very much interested in increasing the use of isotopes, particularly from the commercial standpoint. He said that as far as high schools were concerned, the only prebable solution was to enter into a contract with some of the suppliers to prepare a small kit of low activity isotopes for high school use. This could be subsidized by the Commission providing for a small charge to users. A general discussion followed as to the advantages of allotting funds for the purchase of isotopes equipment for educational purposes. Requests have varied from a few hundred to four thousand dollars. DR. BURNETT expressed the opinion that the support program should not be discontinued in 1961 as planned or the college programs involved would not get sufficiently under way. DR. SHILLING next introduced MR. RICHARD JOHNSTON to discuss the instrumentation and dosimetry program. An investigation indicated that up to 1953, approximately $9 million had been spent on instrumentation in the Commission program. Fifty percent of this was for research and 25% for off-site procurement INSTRUMENTATION of commercial instruments. About 5% was for on-site AND DOSIMETRY fabrication and 20% for maintenance. There was some question about this figure because of the fact that much instrumentation cost is included in research support. MR. JOHNSTON estimated that the present cost of instrumentation was about $700,000 a year. He estimated that 50% of this was for radiation detectors, 20% for systems and special components, 20% for radiation physics and 10% for programmatic instrumentation, most of which is monitoring for instrument tests. In response to a question from DR. CANTRIL, MR. JOHNSTON stated that support was entirely from the Biology and Medicine budget. COMMISSIONER GRAHAM inquired as to what extent we are taking advantage of British developments. MR. JOHNSTON told of our participation in international conferences and review of British journal articles. DR. WARREN asked if the FCDA had yet developed an inexpensive, reliable detector which couid be distributed widely. MR. JOHNSON spoke of three types of instruments; a G-M gamma instrument which could sell for $17 each in orders of from five to ten thousand and also of ionization chamber instruments and G-M instruments which could measure both beta and gamma. He spoke of pocket dosimeters which cost about $5 apiece and were very reliable. DR. WARREN asked as to the general state of the industry at present, remarking that previously it had been considered in a condition of chaos. MR. JOHNSTON stated that an estimate had been made in 1952 indicating that it was a $20 million a year industry and that it had been increasing ever since, and he explained that there was to be another estimate *eo-be made soon. -10-

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