SNAP. I think Charlie (Barnes) and his boys are doing a fine job in looking after our interests here, like to put in an advertisement if | may. I would We spoke of the sanctity of high-altitude samples and the desirability of putting in the best things to work, of getting results, and interpreting data from these samples, I'd like to say that we have a group that Col. Russell is very familiar with that would be very happy to cooperate in planning and, perhaps, in execution of some work in high altitude sampling. Maj. Stebbins: Since a lot of well known people turned down the opportunity to make this kind of remark, maybe Iam stepping off into an area that I shouldn't get into, but I think that perhaps a few comments from DASAare appropriate. I must add my thanks to Jim Shreve because he has brought together all the people I wanted to see last year and has madeit very easy for me to find out some things. going on at a great rate, DASA used to be a good source of money. In the past, when weapons testing was In recent years, with no tests, it has been harder to convince people that we still need to find out about weapon effects. any weapons, so how can you find out about any effects?'' People say: ''You are not firing There is, however, a considerable bit of research going with less funding than previously, at least in some areas, and fallout is one of these. has been a sort of schizophrenic viewpoint taken by the DOD on fallout. tioned, it was usually thought of in the context of local fallout. In the past, there When the word "fallout" was first men- We have had a big program trying to determine the parameters necessary to predict the kind of fallout we would get from weapons in the immediate vicinity of the bursts, Many people in the DOD said that worldwide fallout was not really a problem. The high-altitude sampling program was probably one of the biggest projects in world-wide fallout that the DOD or DASA was engaged in. We spent a lot of money, but most of this money was for flying airplanes, not for the actual scientific reasarch. Of course, you have to consider the cost of the collecting agent and the people who are going to operate it as part of the program, We terminated the HASP program because we thought we knew all there was to know now about world-wide fallout. This was rather premature. The present way that DASA gets money to do research in weapons effects is through the WEB (Weapons Effects Board). Air Force are all represented on this board. The Army, Navy, and It decides how to split up what little money we have for this area. The ideas that have been presented at this meeting might be hard to sell to the WEB, so it may be that DASA will not be able to participate too actively in the program. I hope that this organization is not that inflexible. I think that we here have felt that this has been an important meeting. Inthe past we didn't have the means at hand to collect the samples, but now we are getting to the point where we will have the capability, and the material is up there waiting for us to look at. How can we galvanize our actions and go up and look at it? We have, represented here, people from the proper agencies who can implement this program. will be able to contribute,too. The meeting has been adequate for my purposes, I hope that DASA Like the child who goes into the candy store and is given one jelly bean, there needs to be a lot more done, but this has been a remarkably well-done first step. Certainly an upper-air sampler is an aitractive and appropriate research tool. I am not in a position to give specifics, and certainly a lot of people here have given specifics much better than I can. As far as DASA is concerned, and as far as all of us are concerned, the schedules depend on when we are able to break the money loose, We are going to have to get the necessary research programs going, and we are going to have to get the hardware up there and start looking. I might make one plea: that we, as scientists, try to defend ourselves with knowledge against the politicians and the people who make decisions in the heat of anger, Certainly, when we start putting things like SNAPS and other sources of radioactivity up into these areas--and there certainly seems to be a tremendous effort directed toward putting these things into the sky--