AOS? F DEPARTMENT OF STATE THeSECRETARY | New York Suite 35A at the Waldorf October 28, 1958 5:50 p.m. MEMORANDUM OF CONVERSATION Participants: The Secretary of State Thomas E. Murray The Secretsry said he was glad that Mr, Murray would be going to the Geneva conference on nuclear testing. He said he wes counting on Mr. Myrray's cooperation, stressing that we could not afford a show of division in these very delicate negotistions. He noted thet they would now be made all the more difficult by the fact that the Soviets avpesred to be teking = new look at their position. Mr. Murrsy assured the Secretary of his cooperetion. He said he would not "speak out" when he disagreed, out would express his viewpoint privately to Senator Gore. He said he had long fsvored stopping the testing of large weapons, but thought it essential to continue making smell yield tests. He thought we could satisfy everyone's needs, the scientists and military together, by underground tests. The Secretery pointed out thet we needed not only weapons but public good will and the support of our allies as well. He thought therefore that the main question would be one of tactics at the Geneva conference to insure that the blame for any breakdown was lsid to the Soviets. We should not ourselves appear militaristic. The Secretary said that if we could work it out without jeopardy to our foreign relations, he would favor,underground testing. He said he did not think the con- ference would be 3 success; that the Soviets would continue testing and therefore we would then resume our own testing. i DEBoster: pdb L <sersonal and Privets!\, fA. i or 7 . r b