ie Le Jee 62 DASA 2019-2 see the situation I was in, trying to be helpful and at the same time trying to protect information that other people thought should be held secure. I think that at that particular point in time the whole difficulty with the Japanese, as far as the public relations problem was concerned, could have been solved, The main thing that the Japanese wanted was a statement that our government was sorry. Didn't one of the fellows get involved with the accusa- tion as to whether or not they were within the exclusion area, so that it was a long time before the powers in Washington would agree that it was perfectly possible that it wasn't within the exclusion area? EISENBUD: That's right. [think it was clear, and this was re- ported, that they really couldn't tell, and that the navigation equipment they had wasn't very sophisticated. The log looked authentic but they could have been five or ten miles on one side or the other. One thing that impressed me through this stage, which I've often rememberedas other crises developed anc as I think about our people that were participating, is how tired you get. I flew straight through in 40 hours ina very excited condi-.ion wondering what it was going to be like when I got there. [arrived at two o'clock ia the morning of, [I guess, the end of the second day. I was whisked to the Embassy at two in the morning and stayed in conference for about 2 hours, [went home and got into bed for the first time in 3 nights; [had 2 hours sleep and then went off for the first conference with the Japanese, and met all day. [ made a point of getting to bed early that night, but with the 12-hour difference in time, John Bugher was just about ready to telephone me along about ten o'clock at night, and this pattern kept up for 4 or 5 days. Iwas really at the verge of exhaustion, but [ had to make a decision. FREMONT-SMITH: Yes, which is very difficult to do in that state. EISENBUD: Yes. And I don't know whether or not I made che right decision; I mean, somebodyelse would have to evaluate this. But when I think of the Cuban crisis and the Berlin crisis, ete ee nae ie eeetennee Sen ee eRe ON Ce REcern cnn ehue nnty Mn aed mee mee ee ‘ DUNHAM: : and oi the very few people who were at the center of this thing and who had to think despite the fact that they couldn't get their rest. I think it's a problem that someday the government is going to have to deal with, Chuck, you may have been in the middle of this many times, i