372 DASA 2019-2 population and you would have to have a very quick means of determining whether or not this stuff was radioactive, The other thing [ve often wondered about 1s howthe character of the fallout would be influenced by the fact that now, instead of scavenging the condensation and having a fallout of relatively smali particles, this carbon stuff would build up in the fallout system. Is this going to have characteristics completely different from anything we are used to dealing wath? WARREN: It's like the stuff that settles on your curtains and your wife has a hard time washing out, RISENBUD: Ves. WARREN: LI don't think we have yet solved the problem of cleaning streets and surfaces and other areas which you think you should clean. Whatever you use, it just displaces the site of your contamination, and if you get it into storm sewers, this might not always ve a boon. it might end up in the water supply and give you another problem. EISENBUD: WARREN: Yes, Ldon't know that we have solved this, EISENBUD: No. Very little is known about it, that [think we ought to get into, question of fire. The other things which we hardly touched on, is the [would like to ask whether anybody has experience, or knows of experiences, fighting efforts, have we? of howcities burn when there are no fire- which we would have to assume would be the cage with flash fires, fire storms and so much radioactivity that vou couldn't deploy your fire fighters? , WARREN: [saw Bel Air burn and a house go inthrec minutes in what was the equivalent of a Bunsen burner temperature. The fire department was completely helpless because of the size of tre flames, the area involved, the updraft which developed, and the fact chat the -ery dry air just made an explosive situation. FREMONT-SMITH: So, without any fallout to bother with... .. WARREN: .....and no contamination to inhibit it. Now, if you had that area all nicely contaminated, spread all over, it would be different,