, 322 AYRES: 57). DASA 2019-2 You've just given one of my nasty scenarios (Reference EISENBUD: Here is just one example, you see, that comes to mind. Of course, the basic problem is that the more you think about it the more complicated it gets and so you go back to your policy of not thinking about it. DE BOER: Whois going to provide the leadership? Two years ago I was part of a Civil Defense exercise in Albuquerque. Here you have a pepulation of 300, 000 sitting in the desert, so everything has to be trucked in. The ‘irst question [ asked was about food sup-_ plies. Noonehad an answer, They, the Civil Defense officials, had made two basic assumptions, i.e., there would be adequate reserves and a functioning distributioa system, and food would be continuously brought in. Well, I don't believe that anybody would be crazy enough to make a 200- to 300-mile trip across the desert under these circumstances, even if the trucker had sufficient gasoline. In case of disaster there, our best estimate was that we might last six days to a week. With possible hoarding, this would be considerably lesa. Most peo- ple don't have anything to fall back on and those who do, more often than not, depend. upon their freezers. Electricity under these circumstances may be out. Food and oil supplics would be gone first and these were the very things most of them had not given enough thought to. The assumption had been that supplies at the worst would be temporarily discontinued. Iam also sure that people would not come out of the valley for weeks, This valley is nearby and there are a few things which are grown in the Rio Grande Valley near Albuquerque, such as apples, potatoes, and tomatoes, but these people would not come to the city to. sell, They would sit on what they had, preserve it and use it themselves under the circumstances, They surely would not be interested in commerce, AYRES: That may or may not be true. [ would probably disagree with you about the amount of food in Albuquerque. [don't know if you made a direct survey or if this is based-on casual inquiry. ment of Agriculture has done surveys, , The Depart- DE BOER: This is the point, They were never confronted with that thought. So whea I asked the question, there was noone who could give me the answers, AYRES: You see, most of the food in the city is not in private houses; it's in stores and in the warehouses.