308 DASA 2019-2 WARREN: Which we couldn't resupply, though, onre it was used up. I don't mean to be pessimistic, [ just wondered what the situation was. AYRES: I don't know that they could of couldn't. EISENBUD: { wonder how long our ships could continue to oper_ ate if they couldn't get spare parts’ This is where you get into trou’ ble because noone has cnough knowledge about the details of our econ- emy. You can imagine how important this is, There will be some small plant on Long Island that makes something about as big as your fist and because it's destroyed the ships can't go to sea, You see that in strikes, A company will go on strike and its ramifications are enormous, AYRES: An example might be the General Motors strike, where the Fisher Body Plant was shut down and everybody eclee went out, EISENBUD. In this case it was the suppliers, you see, that went out. But {'m thinking now about people who make small electzical parts. AYRES: There have been studies of this problum (Reference 52), For example, the National Academyof Sciences Committee on Emergency Planning has made quite a point out of this. They have had a number of meetings involving representatives from industry and they have tried to think of specific viulnerabisities of this kind—bottlenecks auhere, for lack of a nail, the shoe is lost, etc. And depending on your attitude towards these things, you maythink they came up with a lot of a little. My own feeling is they found surprisingly little, One of the things that's aften mentioned in thie context is retraecthyl lead. Rt happens to be made in two or three planta. On the other hand, we don't need it. We could operate quite well without it if you're willing to let your engines operate inefficiently. Certain things are crucial, but you can usually find a way around them, and it's very difficult to find something that you could be confistent would really knock you out provided you can look fer alternatives, and [think probably the lack of transportation is more crucia! than the other situation, EISENUUD: ['] wager that there isn't one or two companies in the United States making valves for pipeiines; you know. these big valves that go into pipelines,