SESSION VI AYRES: ' 30! They have an additional argument which gets linked with thie, that it's cheaper to knock out the missile before it's launched than it is to do it the other way, TAYLOR: ROOT: No, but that's not the argument. Am I wrong tn assuming that if we do have an ABM, that maken a fallout shelter program absolutely imperative” TAYLOR: That's what the Secretary of Defense has said, How. ever, he hae not to my knowledge said anything about thie in the last few monthe, I'm very curious ta see what he's going to say. EISENBUD: f felt thie way at the time and { still do. I think that the government really passed the buck down te the individual family ine very unfla'r way. -had @ good opportunity to look into thie for probably the No, | target, namely, New York, wheal chaired a com. mittee appointed by the Mayor to look at the problem of civil defense in New York, and, frankly, we came up with a recommendation that ultimately led to the disbandment uf the local civil defense organizathon, a traneler of ite functions to the police and fire departments, Now, the basic reason wae that we could get no backup from the federal government, New York is the headcuarters for the First Army, which has some very important missions, Mainly, it's charged with the movement ot materiel and personne! through the metropolitan New York area in time of war, and yet we found that the Firet Army, in order to implement ite miesioa had really not considered how they would get through the city streets. They were expecting the city police department ta do it and this pulice depattment had four channels of radio; the fire department had four channele, the civil defense had another four. There wete twelve voice channels. In other words, in New York City, knock out the existing communications system and they can only carry on twelve voice convereations at the present time and, as | said to somebody yesterday, it would take all twelve people to find cut where the Mayor 18 and whether he's still alive. AYRES: [think the telephone company probably has quite a num- ber of additional channela, EISENBUD: time, Did you check into that? They may have it now. They didn't have it at that '