296 DASA 2019-2 WARREN: Just enough wars and their children are brain- washed. Isn't this one of the elements where we have fallen down bit? Although I think the =<chools have done very well. Perhaps the Civil Defense exercises they go through as part of their fire drill and other things may be foolish to some extent, but it's an image which hat een built up now in our children, It's partly responsible for some of the fear and hopelessness that the present college students voice, for instance, at leaat it my opinion, because they were indoctrinated in the hazards and the dangers but there was no solution of- fered. This gives ther a sense of instability and frustration and hopelesaness and so they are anti-social. ‘Let's throw the olcsters out and let's start a better world." But they have no solution for that either. But don't we create our image for the next generation in the home and in the school, and without conviction at the home level? [sn't this as important as conviction at the high administrative policy level? In fact, it's more so because it furnishes the base on which the whole direction of thinking reste, A lot of thought has been given to this uver the years, as you all know. but we haven't come to any clear crystallized policy on our own side, have we, as to what the facts are and how they should be related to our society? FREMONT-SMITH: Is there a national policy in schools now? all schools in every state have the same kind of drills? Do _ WARREN: Pretty much. It's a general policy that is now like oamosis, I think you would have a difficult time in taking it out of the school system. UPTON: It's just like a fire drill. [ get the impression that the Office of Civil Defense is treated as a poor cousin, and that we really don't have a firm, positive, well-implemented national policy in this direction, I may be quite misinformed on this. I would welcome some discussion on it. MILLET: There's something I wanted to say at this point in connection with what Upton said a little while back about hopelessneas, I think there are a couple of things that haven't been brought out here very much yet. One of the possible reasons why there's so much of this—I quite agree there is a great deal of that feeling around—is because people are so, let's say, spoiled. We have become so spoiled in this country about our way of life that it is not uncommon to hear such things as "Well, if it happens, who would want to live under those conditions?" I think there is a great deal of that.