254 DASA 2019-2 WARREN: With a camera, too. EISENBUD: Yes, with a camera. They use them in crowds s0 that they can get up above the crowds and they just rig them up and take them down, two incidents, Frankly, [ see very few similarities between the You have a situation in one case where nobcdy wan hurt, In tae other case, you have 23 sick people. You havea rela- ‘case. Inthe other case you've got a highly sophisticated eciertific tively unsophisticated country under strong essential control in one corps tctaily disorganized and all seeing in the Japanese incident the first upportunity that they have had post-war for any kind of seli- recogaition; they were jockeying for power and seeing who could say the strongest anti- American things because thie was the kind of thing people wanted to hear at that particular time. You had an AEC in Spain which they didn't have in Japan, You hada Dr. Ramcs, whom we all know, whu was very [riendiy, The nearest counterpart in Japan would be, I suppose, Tsuzuki who at least by reason of age and long accomplisament, waa recognized as a senior person, and he was fundamentally anti-American for reasons which maybe Stalf Warren would want to expand on, He was a former Japanese admiral who, I. .hink in hia later years, came around for opportunistic rea. sons to be friendly to us, but Uthink under it all he was not. You had a situation in which the barter found that buainess wan good. There muct have been other pecple Lesides the barbers that mavbe benefitted economically, whereas in Japan the bottom suddenly dropped out of one of their major industries. FREMONT-SMITH: lost, EISENBUD- %t did alao in Spain because all the c.ops were Within 24 hours after the accident, Wright said that they had agried to buy the crop. FREMONT-SMITH: Yes, that is true. EISENBUD. Which ie a good thing, The cropis sold; you don't have to worry about the spoiling, you don’t have to wor*y about finding a market, DOBSON Is1't the mest enormous difference the fact that the Japanese felt that sornething had become hazardous about fish, and at the same time they had to look to fieh for their very sustenance? EISENBUD: Yes.