249 SESSION V WOLFE: The Spaniard that knew, was he a fisherman? LANGHAM: He was a fisherman. He was the one that pulled the pilot out of the sea. When the plane broke up andthe pilot and the bomb dropped out, they both popped their chutes immediately; this happened at about 30,000 feet and there was a strong wind blowing. So, one bombandthe pilot drifted almost five miles out to sea. The fisherman swore that he saw two chutes and that one of them, if it had a man on it, carried a dead man; and he kept telling them where he saw the second chute. He said the chute was different. BUSTAD: Another interesting part of this is that he described it to them, the impact point, and on two successive days took them to the same spot, LANGHAM: Yes. This was his fishing ground. They had him go to the spot two or three times, He went to the same spct within 200 feet. MILLER: LANGHAM: Why would the chutes open for two but not for four? The chutes were not supposed to open on any of them unless they were signaled to do so. When this plane fell apart, evi- dently these weapons got an impact in the chute cannister which popped the lid off a couple of them, and then it was a matter of aerodynamics wacther the chute was dragged out. They fourd the tail . plate off the chute cannister to the weapon that drifted out to sea, They found the tai! cap to the chute cannister and this is all they could find anywhere, DOBSON: Wright, in the early and less certain part of the whole episode, when you first arrived was it difficult to find out whether o~ not there was a health hazard? LANGHAM: No. SAC has a response crew. Albuqucrque has a response crew. These people were all arriving at about that time. There wag the usual meter problem. At one time we had 12 aipha meters, one of which was working, and you can't do much monitoring with one instrument. But the Spanish, believe it or not, had four or five instruments. So the Spanish came in with their instruments and by the time I got there they and the response teams already had a crude outline of the levels.