SESSION IV 223 The ship was equipped so that it could be operated entirely without were eee anyone being on deck, with almost a periscopic peephole. They wanted assurance from us that they could go into the area and possibly survive. But what would be the best way to proceed? In all of our discussions with the Japanese we were very frank and tried to be as helpful as possible, We reviewed our program, showed them the areas we had worked in and the levels of radiation we had encountered, We assured them we were perfectly healthy and were returning to the test site on Christm.s Island to continue the program. I think it was a great relief to them to have a chance to talk with us —and to see that our health was good. Well, the ship left Honolulu; they made their stations, they went home and we arranged a second meeting, in Tokyo, again through the Division of Biology and Medicine. The Commission sent Dr. Gordun Dunning* over to chair the meetings, where we brought all the data together, their data and ours. We did correlation study eventually and found that we had essentially the same results— fallout could be detected but at very low levels. FREMONT-SMITH: alive? Were they awfully surprised to come back DONALDSON: They were tremendously pleased, I guess, to be alive. : DUNHAM: scientists, You said they were very sophisticated, knowledgeable DONALDSON: They were sophisticated, knowledgeable scientists. They also had fishermen on board who had been exposed to the popular Japanese beliefs of radiation damage. But the precautions that they had taken and the facilities they had were completely out of keeping with anything we had available to us or had ever actually seen. EISENBUD. How close in did they go? DONALDSON: The exclusion area was 200 miles. that close at least. *Dunning, Gordon. Technical Advisor, U.S. Atomic Energy Commission, So they were Division of Operational Safety,