SESSION IV 215 DONALDSON: They don't make mistakes! smart as those fish. I wish I had students as WARREN: I think that this point which Lauren nas found is of great significance in this whole story of radiation exposure and yet it's been sort of ignored. . FREMONT-SMITH: It's against the dogma. It's submerged, it's suppressed. And not just ignored, WARREN: I've examined this with great interest for years since he fir. had this finding. DONALDSON: Let's get the record straight. I'm still under... WARKEN: He's still exploring. DONALDSON: . . .under the initial directive that I received from Dr. Warren back in 1943, during the days of tne Manhattan Engineer~ ing Project. The experiment must be carried out over many years and it must be done in the complete environment, not just in the laboratory. In other words, the fish must be exposed during the time that they would be, say, living in the effluent of the Hanford Works, and we must be able to get our hands on them again when they return from the sea in order to evaluate the effects, if any, from their exposure to radiation. In other words, we must not simply say, because they didn't die in the first 90 days or 20 days or the first year, that there was no effect. I naively told Dr. Warren, let's see, 24 years ago, that yes, we could do this experiment. I didn't realize that it weuld take me 24 years to get the facilities and develop a salmon run that would return to the University campus. Each exposure level takes a minimum of five years to evaluate FREMONT-SMITH: You're going to telephone tomorrow afternoon and tell us what the answer is? DONALDSON: One step toward the answer. WARREN: [think this is very significant and I think a great deal of credit is owed to the AEC Division of Medicine and Biology for continuing to support this work over the years, 20-odd years, with such a small yield in return for a few percentage of fish. This has been maintained over the years and you're now in what, 26 generations?