v\ 166 AYRES: DASA 2019~2 It's also important not to waste them on the worst cases. CONARD: Yes, AYRES: How do you manage that? Our normal peacetime philosophy is always io give most attention to the most serious cases. CONARD: How are you going to get the laymen to decide whether this case is fatal or not without any blood count or any other means? AYRES: I'm asking. CONARD: You could go somewhat on the degree of symptoms of nausea and vomiting that occur eorly. If that is very severe and pro- longed, then you could suspect that survival would not be likely. AYRES: Doesn't it seem reasonable to have simple pamphlets or instructions giving a kind of range of symptons that it's worthwhile using these supplies for? CONARD: In general, if a person survives two wecks in a fallout shelter and then gets sick, he's a pretty good candidate for antibiotic treatment. ‘AYRES: In other words, perhaps the first rule would be "Don't use them at ali for two weeks." CONARD: Yes. DE BOER: I think you are ahead of the game. What you are talking about simply is not there yet. Sure, we can talk about those things around this table, but before we can reach a reasonable consensus of Opinion, millions of dullars have to be spent. The points I like to make are: How do we create public interest in these matters without causing mass hysteria? And let me tell you, public interest is a must if we want support. Howdo we set priorities? The priorities must be not only relevant to biology and medicine, but more important, relevant to our national goals. Ia it more important to have better hardware going to the Moon, Venus or Mars, or hardware for a war to be fought in the future, than to have some fundamental knowledge about wnat to du today in a case of emergency? DUNHAM; These space programs are still peanuts compared to the Vietnam War. [think your Civil Defense right now is competing like everybody else with the Vietnam War. I think it's as simple as that.