146 DASA 2019-2 WARREN: I meanin their case. have showers. FREMONT-SMITH: shower water, Exactly. Of course, all the shelters will I said there wouldn't be enough DUNHAM: You know, the problem is a little like the flash burns in Japan. What clothing is worn makes a little difference, WARREN: Yes. EISENBUD: think it's awfully hard to be adequately imaginative about these things and most of us, [ think, have kind of insulated ourselves. I used to think about it more than I have in recent years and it used to impress me. Frankly, I haven't thought about it recently, but I think basically you've got to face the fact that you have a pretty high doctor-to-patient ratio. You didn't have the complications of blast; you had adequate food supplies; you had adequate water supplies; and you didn't have panic. When I think of the kinds of inte acting of medical and logistic problems that would arise in the event of a real nuclear war, it seems to me that almost any type of injury would greatly lessen the chance of survival. FREMONT-SMITH: Absolutely. EISENBUD: It could be even a minor injury toa finger. If a man has get to dig himself out of the rubble and has a broken finger, he may not be able to get out and we haven't faced up te the fact that these things do interact in a way which is not only unpredictable but incalculable. I don't know how to apply numbers to these things. CONARD: That's true. You may have a severe leukopenia that develops and this, in conjunction with a laceration or even with beta burns of the skin, may result in serious infections from a tiny wound. You may have a very serious situation. FREMONT-SMITH: A small infection then could be fatal. EISENBUD: That raises the question of what is the LD-50 ina populace exposed to mass bombing, and I don't know whether you want to get into that or not. FREMONT-SMITH: How many assumptions do you have to make alternatively to try out that figure. There are at least 10 or 15