RADIATION STANDARDS, INCLUDING FALLOUT 27 Is this the case of going into social and economic factors that have not been really thought out entirely ? Dr. Taytor. Yes. It is not a case, Mr. Ramey, of their not having been thought out. There has been a tremendous amount of thought given to these questions, but there is nothing to grab hold of. You cannot describe risk in units in the same sense that you can describe dose, for example. We don’t know precisely what these risks are. We speculate on the risks on the basis of animal experiments extrapolated to man. We use judgment and we use consensus principally in untangling different concepts of the professional people working in the field. But you don’t have any sound numerical basis on which you can evaluate risk, or compare risk to risk. You can’t compare the risk of automobile driving with the risk of working with radiation. They are entirely different things, but they are both risks. Until you can do that you have to use your best judgment. Representative Price. Dr. Taylor, on page 8 where you are talking about fallout from weapons testing, you say that at its peak levels fallout has contributed less than 1.5 percent of our average per capita dose, of 2 millirems per year. (See footnotes 1 and 2, p. 26.) How about the recently reported levels of iodine 131 in the Midwest? Dr. Tayztor. I am sorry; I have not tried to put those figures into this context. Somebody else can undoubtedly answer that question. Representative Price. I wonder if Dr. Dunham could comment on that question. Dr. Dunuam. I don’t have al] the figures. Representative Price. Do you intend to cover that in your presentation ? Dr. Dunnam. I think Dr. Chadwick from the Public Health Service was planning to provide those data. Representative Price. You are familiar with the widespread story about the excessive fallout in the St. Louis milkshed and other areas of the Midwest in recent weeks. Later on in the hearings we will get some comment on that? Dr. Dunyam. Thatis right. Representative Price. Are there any other questions of Dr. Taylor? 6 Senator Anperson. I would like to know where he gets the 1.5 gure. Dr. Tayior. It is a figure supplied by Dunning. Senator AnpERson. Whatis that based on ? Reidea LVTTRaec Dr. Taytor. Again it is based on the analysis of the kind of infor- mation that was fed into the U.N. Scientific Committee from various sources of which the U.S. delegation probably wasone. Senator Anprerson. What was the figure that the U.S. scientists turned in as to what they thought the fallout amounted to? Dr. Tayztor, I don’t know their figure. Perhaps Dr. Dunham does. Senator Anprrson. Is this 1.5 a published figure? This other one was not. published. We cannot check it. Is this a published figure? Dr. Tayror. It is a figure that will be published.? Senator Anprrson. Will be. How will we checkit? Dr. Taytor. It will be available in July of this year. Senator Anperson. Along withthe otherfigures? 7. 8. Taylor, “Radiation Exposure in Realistic Perspective,” Physics Today, June 1962. 3 mire 7, 86853—62—pt. 1

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