Meeting #1496, 23 April 59: co eee ES - In executive session, several items having to do with weapons testing were discussed. McCone reported that that day he attended a meeting with Killian of the White House, Deputy Secretary of Defense Quarles, and Starbird, and agreement hid been reached undertaken by various on various studies to be government departments in connection with weapons testing and test detection, The AEC would cooperate in a number of these and would be primarily responsible for the following: "the Berkner panel recommendation relative to undertaking an experimental test program to. determine the perimeters of detection and concealment; determination of the feasibility, practicanility, costsand timing of underground tests; and determination of problems of conducting tests in the atmosphere, but above the limit of detection by the Geneva system, and of establishing any limitation of altitude in view of fallout. '’ McCone said that the AEC and. the DOD would jointly try to establish test requirements. McCone said that Killian requested the Commissions views on declassifying the Argus experiment and he asked for a staff reply promptly. The problem of increasing weapon complexity was discussed and Luedeke said he would consider a possible laboratory study of this aspect, As for futureweapons tests, McCone said that ‘he had expressed the view at the conference that there is a need for distingui shing between a weapons tests that are absolutely essential and those wich are desireable. but have only marginal importance, As an example, he said at a request by the DOD for a 20 kiloton weapon with a plus or minus factor of two kilotons, Such a weapon would require several test detonations to perfect. On the other hand, the laborato-ies now can develop a 20 kiloton weapon with a plus or minus factor of 5 kilotons without conducting any test detonations, " ~~

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