implication you draw from that, that the requirerents are greater than the supplies? ~ DONALDSON: AYRES: Yes, And yet we have manganese and cobalt nodules forming somehow, which suggests a mystery. DONALDSON: WARREN: Yes, I think there's one thing you haven't Stha Hak touched on which ought to be put into the record, and that PS you said, when you finished up at Bikini, that it was very ~t- fortunate that you had made prior studies because the ‘sitppers —_— er, rate of the genetic cases going on in this population was 12 13 much higher than had been suspected and it might have been ™, abktet—te the radiation later if it had not been found prior— 14 Le-thet, 45 change going on in these atolls is quite high? 16 Is that still your concept, that normally the genetic DONALDSON: Again it's a relative sort of thing. 17 It's like saying, "What's the yardstick of comparison with 18 the Japanese situation?" 19 may be great. 20 we have fairly definite anchored things that we could look at, 21 I would like to refer this question to Dr. Wolfe here, 22 all, he was the botanist-ecologist here, 24 I think we have to go back to the flora where WARREN: After Well, I thought snails were particularly demonstrating this change. 25 DONALDSON: 26 UPTON: I don't know, I suggest we break now and come back to 27 this question after coffee, 28 WARREN : 29 (After coffee break] 30 BRUES: All right, Lauren, you were talking about the concen- 31 tration of some of these elements in particular, plants and, 32 of course, you can tell this with these traces that are 33 essentially cleared out of the ocean by living things? We Stlaftorg W arren of DOE/UCLA 23 The change in the biota may not or