SESSION IIIB DISCUSSION 699 DANIELSEN: I agree with what was said. DINGLE: I have the impression the process in connection with this extrusion is very important in the generation of some of the radiation “hot spots” that we See in the central part of the country. REITER: I would tend to agree with you on that point, but I think that,if a very crude division into dry fallout and rainout cases is made, I would classify the generation of the hot spots as dry fallout cases simply because the air moved in in a matter of two days, as a matter of fact, from the tropopause to the surface, and then got caught ina disturbance, creating some wet “hot spots.” Some of these cases probably could be explained that way, but I would, as far as the debris transport then goes, rather classify them as dry fallout cases that got sprinkled down through a series of coincidences, DANIELSEN: I would like to add a comment. I have studied the trajectories associated with a cyclonic development over the central United States in the spring of 1956. As the vortex moved northeastward over the Great Lakes, dry air entered the northeast section of the vortex, Trajectory analyses indicated that air moving rapidly eastward across central Canada in the upper troposphere subsided rapidly, turning anticyclonically until at low elevations its momentum was reversed, Although the dry air ascended again after entering the vortex, its relative humidity remained low and precipitation was cut off. Therefore in the northeast quadrant of the low, where maximum precipitation might be expected, only very light rain or drizzle was reported. This rain may have been loaded with radioactivity, however, caused by evaporation during its fall through the dry air. Definitely, the anticyclonic branch of the descending flow can link into another cyclonic flow, and, in general, both must be considered. REITER: There is still one rather interesting point which Mr. List made to me which I hope he will repeat. LIST: It concerns rainfall scavenging. Since it usually occurs in the very lowest levels of the storm, why do we propose that towering cumulus clouds will bring debris down from the stratosphere? I believe the reason is that, although the efficiency of the entrainment mecha- nism may be very much less in the stratosphere, the concentrations of radioactivity are several orders of magnitude higher; therefore, even if the entrainment mechanism is an order of magnitude less efficient, considerable amounts of radioactivity from the large res- ervOir in the stratosphere would be brought down. While I have the floor, I want to make some philosophical comments, i.e., that in previous years at meetings like this we were concerned with gross features of fallout and considered ourselves successful if we could tell what the fallout was going to be, given the

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