698 SESSION IIB DISCUSSION REITER: If I understand correctly, you are proposing a tool for investigating, say, the much thought-about question of water-vapor transport from the ocean to the atmosphere. BOLIN: Yes, DINGLE: Dr. Reiter, I surmised from your report* that your studies indicate that perhaps a large bulk of the stratospheric debris that is brought into the troposphere in stable lamina tends to circulate downward anticyclonically and then into a following cyclonic system where it may be rained out. Is this a little different from what has been expressed at other times and places, derived from Danielsen’s model, that the cyclonic branch of the extruded lamina carries im- portant amounts of radioactive debris into the leading cyclonic system to be rained out there? What is your opinion of relative values of contribution of the two branches of the extruded lamina to the rainout. REITER: In answering these questions, I should like to emphasize that the precipitation observed in our case study which you are referring to is more or less incidental. The case as such should still be treated as being characteristic for dry fallout. I don’t think there is any disagreement with your impression that dry fallout should occur from the anticyclonic branch of the jet stream that moves within the observed stable layer. The fact that we did have some precipitation in this case was due to a small disturbance that moved in. However, it was completely | dry at the locations of some of the stations collecting fallout, as you may see from the cross-sections presented in the report, Convection from underneath eventually penetrated this dry contaminated layer. When the dry layer was tapped from underneath it had already moved to as low as 900-mb. Thus moist processes helped in the removal of radioactive debris, but they should not be considered, in this case, the primary cause of fallout. | As far as rainout processes are concerned, I agree with you that the branch of the stable layer which continues to move cyclonically in the middle troposphere probably is more Significant than the anticyclonic branch. The cyclonic branch of the jet stream overrides the warm front, and the contaminated air masses therefore could be tapped to a significant degree by moist and precipitating air masses from underneath. This, however, is something that we have not yet studied in detail. Usually moist cases are somewhat neglected because they are too complicated to be treated by trajectory analysis. Dr. DanielSen, do you have any comments on this discussion. *E. R. Reiter, Transport Processes in the Atmosphere Leading to Radioactive Fallout Progress Report No. 1, Colorado State University, Department of Atmospheric Science, Technical Paper No. 58, September 1964.

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