27 Climates and different relationships altogether, the way ecology is. . at least between the exposures at Bikini and Hiroshima and ww Aren't there two very significant differences what you do at Oak Ridge and at Brookhaven? orn TAYLOR: It involves geography. in dose rate phenomena..are not producible on a large acale, You can't irradiate a group of trees in a very short time, w - That just is Brookhaven, WOLFE: 10 121 TAYLOR: 13 We do have @-ceslum source in 4a forest at Yes, but som of the irradiatior are in milliseconds, as I understand it. i2 UPTON: That is the close- The dose rate phenomena--- One can tend to similate this with a fast 3 reactor, 14 TAYLOR : 15 - UPTON: 16 TAYLOR: Are these ecological studies? Yes, From the tower, Then let me mention what my not be a dif- 17 ficulty. 18 Marshall Islands were due to fallout, literally to failout, 19 to mberial falling on the commmity that is being irradiated 20 and that has at least two effects that are different from what 21 you get with a gamm source. 22 biochemistry, and the other is there are things like beta 23 burns which are not produced with a cesium source, 24 Some of the significant effects, at least in the One is chemistry is involved, Now, in connection with this last thing I have 25 heard many people say that deciduous forestsare relatively 26 radiation resistant. 27 resistant to beta and alpha activity distributed on the sur- 28 face of the soll trickling down through the trees, particularly 29 in the wintertime, because the state of ecological complexity 30 right near the surface is considerable and it would aprear to 31 me that you don't produce a lot of effects by irradiating to 32 very high dose levels the first few millineters of the soll, 33 WOLFE: Is it really clear that they are also You just kill everything at very high levels. Dlariord Wairus DOEJUCLA ¢¢" . “= -

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