379 SESSION VII AYRES: It was built up. WARREN: AYRES: Osaka went near.y completely, It depends on the weather, BISENBUD: tire. DE BOER: You probably had a atlien people fishting the DLokya That's r.eht. We're taiking about an area in which you don't have any fire fighting, UPTON: One ata time, please. DE BOER: Dr. de Muer! Lbelieve that with a nuclear attack, even a small one, under the best conditions and where there wars only one sauare mile of total destruction around pround zero, to vo into that city to fight fares. there would be xobody walling [would anticipate that within « very short period of time fires would spread over an area twenty times that caused by the bomb, The indirect effeet could casily vbe more devastaticg than the direct effect. AYRES: Ll go back to the Fire Service's own catesories which showthat about two-thirds of the time it won't spread even af nothing is done. TAYLOR: But that's a forest whichis all wet. AYRES: it's not ail wet. Some forests are extremely dev, not only during dry weather but in the winter. DUNHAM: But the inside of your tree is wet and the inside of your house isn't. CONARD: area, Weren't tnere some survivors in who were in concrete buildings? fapan fro:n the fire . WARREN: Yes. The telephone building in Hiroshima was in the center and they had survivors, You see, it didn't start right away and they had time to move out or stay in or do whatever they wished, DUNHAM: In Dresden and in Hamburg they suttocated,