~5éTwo different explanations were advanced to explain the state of Diffi- the Livermore program, (a) the way the objectives are set up and the with problems originate, and (b) the administrative organization. Livermore Program Dr. von Neumann said that the objectives are being defined essentially as to do something more risky than Los Alamos, This puts them in the frustrating position of not having a real progrem of their own. Dr, Rabi said that Livermore has no responsibility for any necessary part of the weapons program, He would like to see a clear division between Los Alamos and Livermore with respect. to defined and different objectives, | However, the main problem, according to Dr. Rabi, was administra tive, The Laboratory would become a very effective organization if it | really had a director, At present, responsibilities are divided in such a way that the arrangement works against the development of _ strength and purpose in the organization, The Commission should insist on a full-time director; the Laboratory is too big to run in a haphazard way. Dr. Fisk agreed, He also felt that Dr, von Neumann's point that the Laboratory lacked a clear job to do was serious. needed correction. This situation Dr. von Neumann agreed that the Laboratory was being run by very bad organizational principles; but it was functioning pretty well in spite of this. He said that the presentation had beer good, Weapon Subcom The general feeling seemed to be that the Livermore program needed mittee more rational definition and greater strength of purpose, and that the Liver- method of administration should be improved. Study of more ny t eroaey ail Before the Committee would

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