3¢ Whereas no decision had yet been made on selection of either the Polaris, Redstone or Thor as the high altitude carrier, Polaris seemed to be out of the running due to the inavailability within the proper time scale. Redstone looked like it might be the choice, however, it could not be used above 1000 kilometers, where Thor seemed to be the choice. Study by the JTF-8 staff had also showed that the Thor system could be ready by 1 May. A TWX on 11 Dec from Betts to Reeves of ALO, Shuster of Sandia, Ogle of LASL and Howell of H&N notes the plans for a survey trip by these gentlemen and Gen. Starbird and JTF-8 staff members to the Hawaiian area and Johnston Island starting on the 12th of Dec. A TWX on 11 Dec. from Betts to Foster and Lradbury notes the possible problems with the "Christmas tree'' concept that LRL had been pushing for some time and that following the contamination problemsarrising from such happenings as those following Antler and the situation arrising after Chena, there is considerable scepticism in DMA regarding this concept. These experiences plus other unknowns make a thorough and timely examination of the Christmas tree concept as opposed to the outer space testing concept immediately neces- sary. And due to the high cost involved with developing either one of these capabilities it seems clear to Betts that both of them can't be developed and therefore a choice must be made at an early time. He asks both LASL and Livermore to prepare a discussion of the advantages and disadvantages of the Christmas Tree concept and submit these on 14 Dec to the chairman so that an early decision and an early concentration of resources may be made. A anes 11 ~~——_ Dec — e Maman owe faw nee rvrarnrdA _— wwe we writtan . Vk we ae hy ws Cal ww me MeMaljan oe ee aan of the nh OMA eS Test od - NF FI pa fe te oe ~~ is on the subject of "Pacific Islands Discussion with Representatives of Department of State and Department of the Interior''. on 11 Dec to discuss the possible use of 3 U.S. The meeting was held islands, Jarvis, Baker and Howland. These islands have no inhabitants and are being thought of as Sights for surface bursts. The Department of State has no concerns about these areas for political reasons, however. they are concerned with the fallout problem. Also the matter of the birds on Jarvis Island was discussed but didn't seem to generate much concern. The conclusion was that there are no domestic or foreign policy problems which seem to preclude the use of the islands for the conduct of the proposed tests and that to proceed separate letters should be sent to the Departments of State and Interior stating the proposed uses of the islands outlining the safety aspects and requesting approval. Both State Department and Interior Department Representatives felt that an affirmative answer would be forthcoming. { Bree. TWX from Bradbury to Gen. Betts addresses the Christmas Tree concept and in general, states plainly LASL is prejudiced in favor of use of vertical holes as opposed to tunnels or the Christmas Tree configuration. As for outer space testing, Bradbury stresses that he feels the development of such a capability should be explored in Bluestraw, and that LASL would like to again press for the inclusion of a very high altitude shot, like 1000 kilometers. He feels the purpose of such a shot would be primarily to explore diagnostic techniques of a known system and only in a secondary way to observe the bomb debris behavior and geophysical interactions. LASL believes that-such a