Here is a memo internal to Livermore, #COPB 4675, and entitled "Excerpt From Z P AFSWC, Document #SWAP-1-2151 dated 26 December 1961, subject: on Additional Aircraft and Instrumentation." Pre-planning Conference This contains notes from a meeting held on 19 December 61 at Kirtland with the Labs and the Military discussing their requirements for diegnostic.aircraft. It is documented in other sets of notes but I will quote in here certain pertinent sections for Livermore in particular. "LRL further stated that they had no specific requirement for high altitude diagnostically instrumented aircraft at this time. rocket powered diagnostic probes. This is because they had planned for instrmmented They did express considerable interest in the participation end use of a KC-135 for pux,speculative research purposes, if scheduling and utilization can make she aircraft (and/or space in the aircraft) availeble to their Laboratory personnel. In any event, LRL definitely did not want tneir present map of a specific requirement to be construed as either a Lackof interest or a definite position that they hmmbcsmtex have no requirements in the future. ... LRL stated the requirement for a 135 type aircraft instrumented the same as KC-135, #55 3L27(AFLC/RSD possesséa) recorded/measured unknowns." for airbourne diagnostic verification es xmx previously As for LASL: "LASL did not deliniate their specific airboy¥mme instrumentation requirements within the framework of conference objectives. They did state that educated estimates to fulfill their anticipated requirements for new, unique and modernized instrumentation would in probability require a C-130 in its entiréty. LASL withheld further speculation in this area until they could evaluate the capability of the instrumentation contained in KC-135, #553131 (AFLC/ESD possessed), and equate the existing hardware with their requirement to determine i? there is an overlap so as to reduce duplication of effort.” The summary of the picuure of aircraft requirements for the three agencies is given as follows: DOD: . A KC-135 at zom the conjugate point; a'KC-135 at Johnston Island, with a probable requirement for a second KC-135 at this location which may be filled by the LRL KC-135LASL: of this requirement being satisfied A C-130B; a KC-135, with a possibility has been requested to fill this slot. by the ESD KC-135, and a note that a C-130 LRL: ASD KC-135) end this aircraft is A C-130B; a KC-135 (instrumented Like oe - ba #46 TM of. IT. if reauired. P

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